Before we dive in: this episode includes a discussion of sexual assault. Please take care while listening. You're listening to Voices of Your Village, and in this episode, I got to hang out with my pal, Jon Fogel, to chat about helping kids navigate punishment, reward based environments, even if that's not what you have in your household. That what if they go to school and that's what they're exposed to or out into the world, how do we help them navigate that? Jon is a parenting influencer, a husband and a dad of four who knows that parenting is not about perfection. He has a following of over 1.5 million by making neuroscience and psychology research practical and applicable. Jon's the author of  Punishment-Free Parenting: The Brain-Based Way to Raise Kids Without Raising Your Voice. He is the host of The Whole Parent Podcast and founder of The Whole Parent Academy where he helps thousands of parents from all over the world ditch the power struggles and build relationships that actually work. Jon and I got into some nuance that you don't generally see on social media. I love that about him. Sometimes we dance on some topics and often find that we have the shared values at the root of each topic. Thank you, Jon, for joining us for this conversation. I'm super jazzed for y'all to tune in. Come on over to the gram. You can snap a screenshot of you tuning in and tag Jon @wholeparent. Tag us @seed.and.sew, and let's continue the conversation over there. I wanna hear what your biggest takeaway is after you tune in. All right, folks, let's dive in. Connect with Jon: Instagram:@wholeparent Website: wholeparentacademy.com Order the book: Punishment-Free Parenting: The Brain-Based Way to Raise Kids Without Raising Your Voice Podcast: The Whole Parent Podcast Connect with us: Instagram: @seed.and.sew  Podcast page: Voices of Your Village Seed and Sew's Regulation Quiz: Take the Quiz Order Tiny Humans, Big Emotions now!  Website: seedandsew.org Music by: Ruby Adams and  Bensound Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices