What is there to question about the dominant framing of “climate crisis”? What does it mean to understand carbon not just as an element but as the flow of life? And how do we begin to recalibrate our senses of delusion or reality in a world where often up is portrayed is down and down as up?In this conversation, we are joined by Paul Hawken, a world renowned climate expert who invites us to move beyond the fixation on carbon in a reductive, objectified equation of emissions and sequestration, and to look to the roots of why the planet and its communities are experiencing distress to begin with.How do we counter the climate movement’s co-optation by technological, capitalist interests? We invite you to…tune in and subscribe to Green Dreamer via any podcast app;subscribe to kaméa’s newsletters here;and support our show through a one-time donation or through joining our paid subscriptions on Patreon or Substack.