Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer and produced by writer and photographer Laura Studarus.  We partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. John Darnielle lives purely in the creative moment, whether he is crafting songs for his band The Mountain Goats, writing novels like his newest work Devil House, or simply trying to figure out why his phone has duplicated all of his contacts. He describes his attention span as intense and yet diffuse, a quality that allows him to have sprawling conversations and entertain a broad range of ideas that all coalesce into his multiple artistic endeavors. Throughout our chat, his vibrant dark humor and quick mind served as a remind to stay present to the absurdity and joy right in front of us.   Get John's latest novel Devil House  Listen to The Mountain Goats new record Bleed Out  Join our community on Patreon Come chill on Insta Chat with us Twitter  --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/why-not-both/support