For decades, the importance of public sector institutions has been undermined by powerful private corporate interests. How they have done it and how that process can be reversed is discussed by our guest Donald Cohen, the author of a new book called The Privatization of Everything – How the Plunder of Public Goods Transformed America and How We Can Fight Back.  Cohen is Executive Director of In the Public Interest, a national non-profit focusing on public goods and services.  Ellen also discusses the emerging concerns about central bank digital currencies, and historian and author Matt Ehret opens a discussion about the corporate supra-national movement that wants to privatize nature itself.  What could go wrong?