In this episode Chad Rhodes and Charlotte Elia discuss Chad's work with Francisco de Osuna's Third Spiritual Alphabet. Chad has been posting monthly on our Substack on each letter of the Third Spiritual Alphabet as both a way of introducing Francisco de Osuna's thought and of exploring the practice and concept of recollection. Chad's posts on Osuna are collected here. Charlotte: And as Osuna says, it's wonderfully egalitarian. I don't need anyone to do it for me. I can just sit, and I could do that anywhere and anytime I needed to. Chad: And as it should be. The presence should be accessible to anyone.Charlotte: Anyone should be able to have contact with the divine because, as you say, the ubiquitous nature, and God is closer to us than our own breath. Chad: Why would we not want to be intimately aware of that presence?